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Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.09.02 19:01:00 - [1] Originally by: Spenz Edited by: Spenz on 02/09/2008 15:18:50 Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Myra2007 I remember a year or two ago wrangler answered a post about a similar issue (i think it even was about suicide ganking) like "Tough Luck! Deal with it. Eve isn't meant to be a cozy fluffy lala land.". That spirit seems to be all gone now. And it still isn't. Now it just isn't "cozy fluffy lala land" for you people either. Ooooh burn. I agree 100%. Suicide-gankers are the carebears of pvp. They make no-risk isk, but unlike the pve carebear, they do it at the expense of others, and with metagaming tactics. They aren't whining because they feel that eve is losing some magic element that makes it "different" or whatever, they are whining because they are losing their isk-faucet. They can no longer make easy money ganking, and they are upset about that. Get over it you whiners. Congrats you have to make isk the hard way like everyone else who decided that they were above metagaming. I agree that they are huge carebears in their own right. They figure because they actually shoot someone during this activity {suicide ganking} it allows them to hide behind "a badge of PvP" when they aren't taking any real risks at all. Now CCP wants to put some more risk into it and they are whining like a bunch of little girls. Pretty much the same 7-8 drama queens in this thread that you will see in any whine thread from over the past month on this forum. Pretty good entertainment tbh. "The National Weather Bureau is forecasting a thunderstorm of failure."
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.09.02 19:18:00 - [2] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Cody Quinn so if we think hard... 50% or about 50% of the map is low-sec or 0.0 and the rest is high-sec. So why can't these people who are "pvping" in highsec pvp in the other 50% of the map? Well maybe its because they cant.... hmmm PVP against people with guns who could possibly kill you ... or pvp against some people just trying to have fun who are defenseless. Well in other words people like no-skill pvp. Don't worry, little bear. CCP is on your side. Soon we won't be able to fire on each other in high sec. Next on the chopping block will be 0.0. CONCORD expanding anyone? But you agree with the part where he said your kind lacks skill correct? "The National Weather Bureau is forecasting a thunderstorm of failure."
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.09.02 19:24:00 - [3] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Kelli Flay But you agree with the part where he said your kind lacks skill correct? No, but I would agree that the game that CCP are turning this into requires no skill. How so? The suicide ganking change will force the aggressors to think a bit more and pick better targets. It will also make it so they cannot repeatedly gank people without consequences. Sounds like risk/reward to me. Or do you think "risk versus reward" should only apply to carebears? "The National Weather Bureau is forecasting a thunderstorm of failure."
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.09.02 19:43:00 - [4] Originally by: Roy Batty68 Originally by: Tatsujin Koufu Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Kelli Flay But you agree with the part where he said your kind lacks skill correct? No, but I would agree that the game that CCP are turning this into requires no skill. what part of shooting an unarmed hauler that is afk requires skill exactly? What part of actually flying that hauler that is so hard that it requires game changes to rectify it? AFK or not, it can still be destroyed easily once it jumps a gate.
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.09.02 19:49:00 - [5] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Kelli Flay AFK or not, it can still be destroyed easily once it jumps a gate. Spoken as someone who has no frigging idea what she's talking about. Tell me: have you ever tried to suicide gank anyone at all? No but I do know that you can easily catch someone on the other side of a gate. {especially something as slow and aligns like a hauler} and destroy it easily. This can happen whether the hauler pilot is afk or not. Which part of this am I wrong about? "The National Weather Bureau is forecasting a thunderstorm of failure."
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.09.02 19:52:00 - [6] Originally by: Le Skunk In practice, properly fit, piloted haulers are only ever killed outside stations. SKUNK Explain why this is true then? You simply saying so doesn't convince me. "The National Weather Bureau is forecasting a thunderstorm of failure."
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.09.02 19:54:00 - [7] Edited by: Kelli Flay on 02/09/2008 19:56:32 Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Kelli Flay Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Kelli Flay AFK or not, it can still be destroyed easily once it jumps a gate. Spoken as someone who has no frigging idea what she's talking about. Tell me: have you ever tried to suicide gank anyone at all? No but I do know that you can easily catch someone on the other side of a gate. {especially something as slow and aligns like a hauler} and destroy it easily. This can happen whether the hauler pilot is afk or not. Which part of this am I wrong about? Use a transport ship... you know.. the ones designed to TRANSPORT high value goods. You cant be killed. SKUNK So in order to haul anything in high sec, noobs are expected to drop what they are training to train up Transports? {which are like a 2 month train} edit: i meant high sec, not low....corrected. "The National Weather Bureau is forecasting a thunderstorm of failure."
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.09.02 20:07:00 - [8] Originally by: Granmethedon III Originally by: Kelli Flay So in order to haul anything in high sec, noobs are expected to drop what they are training to train up Transports? {which are like a 2 month train} edit: i meant high sec, not low....corrected. Who on earth wants to suicide gank a noob? " "noob" was wording it badly. Another way to put it is in order to move things around in high sec, everyone should have Transports trained? I don't think that was the dev's intentions.
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.09.02 20:10:00 - [9] BTW: You guys sound just like the nano whiners. It is funny how you are so willing to give "easy," "common sense" solutions to the problem after you are in danger of being nerfed. In this case, the nerf is a done deal...but still funny. "The National Weather Bureau is forecasting a thunderstorm of failure."
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.09.02 20:12:00 - [10] Originally by: Granmethedon III Originally by: Kelli Flay Originally by: Granmethedon III Originally by: Kelli Flay So in order to haul anything in high sec, noobs are expected to drop what they are training to train up Transports? {which are like a 2 month train} edit: i meant high sec, not low....corrected. Who on earth wants to suicide gank a noob? " "noob" was wording it badly. Another way to put it is in order to move things around in high sec, everyone should have Transports trained? I don't think that was the dev's intentions. If you want to move low amounts of very high value goods, I think you'll find that's exactly what transports are for. Well people can still use them. Nothing has changed there. You can still try to gank them as well. You can still gank lazy afk haulers as well. You just won't have an unlimited amount of ganks anymore. "The National Weather Bureau is forecasting a thunderstorm of failure."

Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.09.02 20:14:00 - [11] Choose juicier targets now. ....adapt. "The National Weather Bureau is forecasting a thunderstorm of failure."
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.09.02 20:17:00 - [12] Originally by: Roy Batty68 Originally by: Locke DieDrake Originally by: Roy Batty68 Pretty much all of it. But whatever. You are the new face of Eve. The "I Know It Alls Cause teh FOREMS told me so" crowd. The "I Knows Just what needs to be Nerfed!" Thanky CCP! Thanky for lookin out for my FAIR. Cause teh bad old gankers on the forums needed a spankin any old way. I'm just curious, have you ever ganked someone? Because if you can't gank a hauler as it aligns to warp, you fail at eve. Thank you, good bye. Yes, I've ganked haulers, in highsec no less. A couple of caracals or a handful of Kessies will do it nicely. Upgrade as needed against harder targets. The fact of the matter is, I don't see a need for changes. If you want to protect a high value load of cargo, there are PLENTY of ways to do that. Logistics is an important part of eve, and breaking the ability to go after logistics targets (even in high sec) is contrary to EVE IMO. However, I don't think they've done that yet. Just made it harder, which is ok with me. Dude, you're preachin to the choir. Turn around. She's over that way. Yes, I've suicide ganked plenty. I've also hauled billions around hisec and right by known suicide gankers. And I've never been popped once. In fact the only times I've ever been popped by another player in Eve is when I went looking for it. I enjoy the challenges other players provide me. I'm downright silly about them. And I hate to see them slowly nerfed away by dimwitted can't be arsed to think or play types. Especially the ones that come to these forums screaming for nerfs when they don't have a clue what they're talking about, they're just all worked up because someone else complained about it... yep... on the forums. Actually, you can probably thank Goons for this particular nerf. I bet you were on the sidelines cheering them on when they were ganking all those Hulks? Ever heard of karma? "The National Weather Bureau is forecasting a thunderstorm of failure."
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.09.02 20:34:00 - [13] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: RagnhildR tu Ki An what is your problem?, what makes you so pivotal in the world of Eve, without players coming into Eve there would be no Eve. Players need to mine, mission or whatever to pay for the skills and improve their ships. If butt wipes keep on trashing strating out players there will be No New PLayersa, no new players= less cash for CCP, less cash for CCP, an in the end they call it a day, an go on to a new project. What are you doing in my pod? GTFO! What's my problem? Well, that's easy enough to answer. You. You and your ilk who migrate here from other games, expecting everything to work the same way, and when it doesn't you hold your accounts for ransom until CCP fixes things for you. Are you saying if you haven't been around since day one of EvE or played a previous game before EvE, that you are not allowed to have an opinion? Can you link me to the "accounts for ransom" as well? "The National Weather Bureau is forecasting a thunderstorm of failure."
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.09.02 20:40:00 - [14] Originally by: Granmethedon III No, he's saying don't expect the game to be like all the others: ridiculously easy. I never once read a post on these boards of someone saying EvE should be just like any other game? Link? "The National Weather Bureau is forecasting a thunderstorm of failure."
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.09.02 20:45:00 - [15] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Kelli Flay Originally by: Granmethedon III No, he's saying don't expect the game to be like all the others: ridiculously easy. I never once read a post on these boards of someone saying EvE should be just like any other game? Link? Strawman. I get it now. Anything you cannot answer for = strawman "The National Weather Bureau is forecasting a thunderstorm of failure."
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.09.02 20:48:00 - [16] Originally by: Granmethedon III Originally by: Kelli Flay Originally by: Granmethedon III No, he's saying don't expect the game to be like all the others: ridiculously easy. I never once read a post on these boards of someone saying EvE should be just like any other game? Link? You're in one. You've said it yourself, implicitly. In case you're not sure what that word means, here's a handy link:- http://www.wordreference.com/definition/implicitly Yet the thread was created by someone whining about this issue, not the other way around. You should stop, you are making yourself look more like an idiot with every post.
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.09.02 20:52:00 - [17] Hey, I enjoyed discussing this non issue with you drama queens. I have to take off for awhile but thanks for the entertainment. Enjoy your nerf and try to whine some more so I have something to read tonight. thanks.
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.09.02 20:55:00 - [18] Originally by: Granmethedon III Originally by: Kelli Flay Originally by: Granmethedon III Originally by: Kelli Flay Originally by: Granmethedon III No, he's saying don't expect the game to be like all the others: ridiculously easy. I never once read a post on these boards of someone saying EvE should be just like any other game? Link? You're in one. You've said it yourself, implicitly. In case you're not sure what that word means, here's a handy link:- http://www.wordreference.com/definition/implicitly Yet the thread was created by someone whining about this issue, not the other way around. You should stop, you are making yourself look more like an idiot with every post. sigh I'd say you really are dumb, but it wouldn't really make any discernable difference. Yes maybe someday ill be as brilliant as you Granmethedon. It takes a lot of brain cells to spew half baked, self serving propaganda on a forum. You have my eternal admiration.
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.09.02 21:02:00 - [19] Originally by: Smacko Thug Originally by: Kelli Flay Hey, I enjoyed discussing this non issue with you drama queens. I have to take off for awhile but thanks for the entertainment. Enjoy your nerf and try to whine some more so I have something to read tonight. thanks. Hello Kitty online servers back up? Ironic you would ask me that when i am not the one who hasn't demonstrated an ability to adapt in this game. See any whine threads started by me?......nope. You fail.
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.09.02 21:04:00 - [20] Originally by: Smacko Thug Originally by: Kelli Flay Yes maybe someday ill be as brilliant as you Granmethedon. It takes a lot of brain cells to spew half baked, self serving propaganda on a forum. You have my eternal admiration. You know someones lost the point theyre trying to argue when: A) They come back after saying they have to go. B) They resort the childish attempts at insults Grow up. Yes because this is such a grown up thread. Take your own advice tbh.

Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.09.02 21:05:00 - [21] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Kelli Flay Ironic you would ask me that when i am not the one who hasn't demonstrated an ability to adapt in this game. See any whine threads started by me?......nope. You fail. That's the thing though, isn't it? When have you ever had to adapt to anything. You've never been nerfed. How would you know? What is my playstyle in the game? What exactly do you think you know about me?
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.09.02 21:12:00 - [22] Originally by: Granmethedon III Keep trying, Kelli, keep trying. Anyway, thought you were off? Trying what? I don't have an agenda. I don't NEED one. 1) Nerf in place.....check 2) Drama Queens all worked up....check. 3) Im fine with the situation....check
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.09.03 16:55:00 - [23] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Ruze Step 1: Make CONCORD exist in all Empire, hisec and losec. Scale the reaction time in .4 and below, just as it's scaled in hisec. Contested space will have no CONCORD presence, of course. (This makes the 'safe space' approximately 34% of the universe) -or- Step 1: Double the size and density of hisec space. Step 2: Double the size of deep space. Many more nulsec regions, with far broader reaches. Essentially, make it so that if you want PvP, you go to one of the contested systems, or nulsec. Losec still has crime, but is balanced to be far safer than it currently is. That's where Eve is headed, alright. That's not what most of us want, though. Therefore I think a sharding of the server is the only way. It will keep the game alive until after WoD goes gold, thus guaranteeing CCP's capital for that, and after that, who cares about Eve, right? I m bookmarking this thread for future reading for when i am having a bad day or for when my cat craps on the carpet and I have to clean it up. No matter who bad life gets, I will always have this thread to read to cheer me up. "The National Weather Bureau is forecasting a thunderstorm of failure."
Kelli Flay	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:15:00 - [24] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Kelli Flay I m bookmarking this thread for future reading for when i am having a bad day or for when my cat craps on the carpet and I have to clean it up. No matter who bad life gets, I will always have this thread to read to cheer me up. Because of your passive aggressive carebear nature, the only time you can truly have fun is when someone else isn't? Doesn't that make you a griefer? {lays on couch} Yes because of my passive aggressive nature and my childhood. I think it goes back to when I was four and my mom took me to the circus. There were elephants and clowns............ "The National Weather Bureau is forecasting a thunderstorm of failure."

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